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Xavier Briand - Engineering Manager at Akeneo - en/fr19:11:35

Hey community, I see a lot of project management happening on spreadsheets. Each time I see that it makes me irk. Any good resources/tips you’d have to argument pros/cons?

Xavier Briand - Engineering Manager at Akeneo - en/fr19:11:51

Just so one project managed on a Google Doc today.

Simon Rohrer, [Sooner Safer Happier contributor] Saxo Bank, Head of EA and DevEx20:11:43

Friends don’t let friends use MS Project (as seen on a ThoughtWorks internal doc in 2003)

Xavier Briand - Engineering Manager at Akeneo - en/fr21:11:09

Roadmaps with lists of tasks and milestones across different departments (there is somewhat something looking strikingly like a gantt chart made of cells in this spreadsheet).

Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]14:11:35

Rally, Version One, JIRA Align (AgileCraft), LeanKit, Just3Things, Azure DevOps, etc. IMO, you need the ability model nested value streams (teams and teams of teams and ...) AND nested outcomes (daily, weekly, monthly, quarterly, annual, n-year) and the intersection of the two

Xavier Briand - Engineering Manager at Akeneo - en/fr14:11:52

Thanks for the feedback @rohrersm and @jonathansmart1. My concern is that there is a big mindset gap between where project manager are when using a spreadsheet, and the whole value streams/outcomes aligned mindset (which is where we need to go). From a change management perspective, in the current environment, how would you start this transition? Baby steps kind of things.

Xavier Briand - Engineering Manager at Akeneo - en/fr18:11:33

ahah, well, I’m still waiting for it ITRev!

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