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Ann Perry - IT Revolution16:12:00

Up next is @jonathan.lelous and @alexandre.barbier for their talk, "Industrial Digital Transformation at Airbus Helicopters"

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Jonathan Le Lous (Jollfr)16:12:54

Feel free to ask your questions here

Amy Crocker (DBA Supervisor - O'Reilly Auto Parts)17:12:38

The current slide the upper right corner is covered by your faces...what word is under there?

Nikhil Das Nomula(Platforms - JD Finishline)17:12:58

I think I have missed this, why did you choose openshift over kubernetes?

Jonathan Le Lous (Jollfr)17:12:01

Because OpenShift is a full platform PaaS

Nikhil Das Nomula(Platforms - JD Finishline)17:12:59

ah ok, so openshift would manage all k8s updates and there is less maintenance on airbus?

Jonathan Le Lous (Jollfr)17:12:19

Also because of the size of the project, Airbus needed platform fully supported and compliant with Airbus internal policy in term of support and hardening

Jonathan Le Lous (Jollfr)17:12:12

Thanks @annp for organizing this session and Does program committee members for selecting our talk 🙂

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Ann Perry - IT Revolution17:12:00

Welcome, @krishnakanth_bn , @alok_kumar18 and Ramesh G to present: "Proactive, Predictable and Enhanced Value Delivery Through Sentient DevSecOps Ecosystem"

krishnakanthbn17:12:30

Thank you Ann @annp

krishnakanthbn17:12:10

Dear All, Please let us know your questions here.

Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair17:12:43

Thank you so much for presenting, @krishnakanth_bn @alok_kumar18, the innovation work being done within Infosys IT!

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Jeff Gallimore (CTIO - Excella)17:12:02

@krishnakanth_bn what were the biggest struggles in onboarding the teams to the platform?

krishnakanthbn17:12:16

@jeff.gallimore Thanks for your question Jeff. The idea of the platform is to actually ease the DevOps onboarding process. We used the platform to templatize pipelines for all technologies. Tools were mandated, pipeline structures were defined and gating criteria was set at portfolio levels and the teams did not have to write any script or know about DevOps much. The platform gave a self service model for teams to onboard themselves without depending on a dedicated DevOps team. However, supporting new tools, technologies in the platform required plugins to be written and this too was not much of a task since the platform is fully extensible. Other than these, following can be classified as onboarding struggles. • Defining pipeline templates for different types of releases • Challenges in getting people who were used to Waterfall model to adapt to DevOps practices • Awareness issues amongst developer community about the platform, leading to complaints and chaos for delays in deployment and delivery occasionally

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Jeff Gallimore (CTIO - Excella)13:12:53

excellent insights. many of us can identify with the struggles on similar efforts.

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Jeff Gallimore (CTIO - Excella)17:12:38

@krishnakanth_bn what are the “live enterprise” principles? is there a reference?

Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair17:12:44

This is great — who were the first adopters of this platform within Infosys IT, and what drew them to it? @krishnakanth_bn

krishnakanthbn17:12:35

Core team did the POCs before getting app teams to start using the platform. In our case, dog-fooding the platform within InfosysIT was a key strategy for us to take the platform to the market and hence it was a mandate from the leadership @genek

Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair17:12:12

Can you share the nature of the apps that were the first adopters? externally facing, internally facing, high profile, etc? Thx!

Alok Kumar17:12:18

Internally facing apps requiring on-prem deployments were taken up first than those which required cloud deployments

Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair17:12:32

Did I hear that correctly? 200 apps, 50K automated tests! Fantastic!

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair17:12:32

Did I hear that correctly? 200 apps, 50K automated tests! Fantastic!

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krishnakanthbn17:12:20

50K automated tests, 1000+ pipelines and 200 applications actually! Thanks! @genek

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair17:12:30

Thank you @krishnakanth_bn @alok_kumar18!

krishnakanthbn17:12:52

Thanks for this opportunity. @genek @alok_kumar18 @rameshg

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Ann Perry - IT Revolution18:12:01

Please welcome @davidanderson393, @mark.mccann and @mjj.oreilly here to present, "Mapping the Value Flywheel Effect"

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Chris Donahue18:12:15

Greetings @davidanderson393, @mark.mccann and @mjj.oreilly. Just wanted to share that I am enjoying your book.

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair19:12:18

Congratulations on the fantastic book, @davidanderson393, and thank you for presenting this @mark.mccann @mjj.oreilly !!!!! 🎉

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Lucy Softich, IT Revolution (she/her)19:12:58

Don’t miss your chance to get The Value Flywheel Effect e-book for free (while supplies last), thanks to Tasktop! Grab your copy from their booth in Gather or in Solutions Hub: https://members.itrevolution.com/live/expo

Dave Anderson19:12:00

Thanks folks! Delighted that people are enjoying it!!

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Ann Perry - IT Revolution19:12:00

And now, another beloved IT Revolution author, @dominica here to present, "Emerging Patterns in Value Stream Management"

Chris Gallivan (Planview)19:12:46

What is a realistic range for an accurate flow efficiency in software?

Paninya Masrangsan (Flow Advisor - Planview, she/her)19:12:42

As a customer, we expect teams to work nonstop. As a team member, we all know that 100% Flow Efficiency is unattainable!

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Nick Eggleston (free radical)19:12:36

or define everything as "work" 😂

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Chris Gallivan (Planview)19:12:13

"backlog is a wait state" - said no developer ever

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Dominica DeGrandis, Author - Making Work Visible, Principal Flow Advisor19:12:21

Unrealistic FE happens for a couple reasons: Insufficient wait states & process not followed are two.

Marc Poulin19:12:45

It's interesting to say that the wait/work state changes depending on the perspective. The designer is in work state during preparation but wait during implementation.

Chris Gallivan (Planview)19:12:36

yes, different perspectives see this differently

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Chris Gallivan (Planview)19:12:09

companies spend millions chasing poorly tracked data

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Dominica DeGrandis, Author - Making Work Visible, Principal Flow Advisor19:12:29

Improve Flow Efficiency metrics by Regularly checking work in active states to expose idleness. If idle, find a way to implement a process to flag/tag work items to indicate wait time.

Marc Poulin19:12:36

Ah yes, the task story

Ruth C19:12:07

AAAGH, I fight that battle regularly - confusion of work item type and work state

Matt Ring (he/him) - Sr. Product/Engineering Coach, John Deere19:12:29

"Evaluation" work item types... Interesting. I've wondered similarly related to "Discovery" work.

Matt Ring (he/him) - Sr. Product/Engineering Coach, John Deere19:12:06

I could see value in flow distribution to understand how much of our capacity is going to discovery experiments vs. delivery features, defects, debt, etc.

Chris Gallivan (Planview)19:12:31

believe it or not, this is the defacto std I see

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Marc Poulin19:12:57

It's taking the idea of breaking down as small as possible too far

Chris Gallivan (Planview)19:12:59

tasks tracking, but no value tracking

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Chris Gallivan (Planview)19:12:15

and then the Dora metrics on the tasks

Marc Poulin19:12:00

What you measure and what you reward is what people will do

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Marc Poulin19:12:22

How do you measure performance at the collaborator level in this format? A lot of the value stream metrics are more influenced by leadership, it seems.

Marc Poulin19:12:22

How do you measure performance at the collaborator level in this format? A lot of the value stream metrics are more influenced by leadership, it seems.

Dominica DeGrandis, Author - Making Work Visible, Principal Flow Advisor19:12:39

It's useful when practitioners can see how what they do contributes to biz value.

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Marc Poulin19:12:19

So it's more about driving engagement by showing how their collaboration contributed to outcomes?

Dominica DeGrandis, Author - Making Work Visible, Principal Flow Advisor19:12:52

@marc.poulin This is where measuring at different levels helps. B/c Leadership wants high level view and teams want their team level view.

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Dominica DeGrandis, Author - Making Work Visible, Principal Flow Advisor19:12:23

Hopefully, there is some measure at the team level though that encourages practitioners to care abt the big picture.

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Chris Gallivan (Planview)19:12:41

we use business results (KRs) to show the impact of the work the team is doing

Gunjan Taleja19:12:52

Did i miss the 1 of 4 pattern? I could not find it.

Marc Poulin19:12:16

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Lucy Softich, IT Revolution (she/her)19:12:17

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