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Ferrix Hovi - Principal Engineering Avocado - SOK (S Group)11:10:59

Now that everyone can see how the software industry and DevOps are like selling avocados, let's explain Developer Experience through farming avocados. 1. Make sure there is a freshwater supply near and run pipes, not buckets. Make sure all teams have everything they need right on their patch and keep them stocked. 2. Allow the teams to design their workdays in a way that allows them to finish what they start. They will often reach a flow state and feel happy. Make moving around the patch easy. 3. Kindle the passion in everyone to make things a little bit smoother every day. Reduce the work time spent per fruit. Increase crop sizes with less fertilization. Create new methods on all patches and compare notes. 4. Foster an environment of psychological safety. This is not specific only to avocado farming or software engineering. 5. Make sure it is everyone's mission to make sure the entire lifecycle of the avocados works so that they reach the customer fresh.

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Kelly Fidei13:10:08

Loving the avocado farming parallel!

Bryan Finster - Defense Unicorns (Speaker)15:10:36

The BVSSH community will be having an after conference social at the bar in Gather on Thursday after closing remarks. We’ll be sharing stories from the trenches and raising a glass to delivering sooner, safer, and happier. Watch out in #happy-hour for details!

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Mike Snyder -RVCM17:10:30

that will be good to be a part of!

Jim Moverley18:10:03

would thoroughly recommend this! πŸ˜„ The beer and chat seems to always flow easy with @bryan.finster486 as a side note also keep an eye out in #happy-hour on future DOES orientated community events in addition to the BVSSH community get togethers! - get the best of both worlds! #Dockside #rebellionTogether

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Nick Eggleston (free radical)04:10:09

Always a good time when the Funsters host… oops I mean Finsters 😊

Bryan Finster - Defense Unicorns (Speaker)10:10:43

LOL. A friend of mine at Walmart gave me that nickname when I joined Platform. πŸ˜‚

Anurag (

Any thoughts from folks on the Facebook outage today?

Bryan Finster - Defense Unicorns (Speaker)18:10:36

Someone needs a pipeline for DNS configuration changes?

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David Van Couvering - Senior Principal - eBay18:10:36

I find it hard to believe that FB, which supposedly has a very strong eng culture, does not have a pipeline for config changes. Possibly so?

David Van Couvering - Senior Principal - eBay18:10:50

Facebook's border gateway protocol routes β€” BGP helps networks pick the best path to deliver internet traffic β€” have been "withdrawn from the internet." Interesting that this happened at the same time Facebook leaders were live on CNN defending the company on its handling of research outcomes. I am curious if it might be πŸ” play...

Dipesh Bhatia19:10:05

I hope they publish lessons learned just like AWS

David Van Couvering - Senior Principal - eBay19:10:39

Haha yea, it would be great if they can be forthcoming about the information they learned from their internal research...

Bryan Finster - Defense Unicorns (Speaker)19:10:04

@dvancouvering it's a dumpster fire everywhere.

David Van Couvering - Senior Principal - eBay19:10:31

Everywhere meaning at every company?

David Van Couvering - Senior Principal - eBay19:10:46

Yea, it's a great point, thanks Bryan

Bryan Finster - Defense Unicorns (Speaker)19:10:14

I find it both horrifying and strangely comforting. :)

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Bryan Finster - Defense Unicorns (Speaker)19:10:35

But improvement is a growth industry.

Daniel Cahill - Engineer - Ontario Systems19:10:42

I was listening to an old episode of Soft Skills Engineering (a Bryan rec) and they said they don't know of anyone that worked somewhere that was truly happy with where their code was. Helped me set expectations a little better

Bryan Finster - Defense Unicorns (Speaker)19:10:54

When we created the Walmart CD platform. The Sr. Director (ex-FB) was helping them get better at CD using our tools, so…

Ferrix Hovi - Principal Engineering Avocado - SOK (S Group)19:10:19

Having seen dozens of companies and hundreds of teams: Every organisation, big or small, is always messy.... I mean: Has a complex system of problems. There seem to be inherent risks in the attempt of trying to build an organisation out of people that is somewhat doomed to fail... as well as create prosperity and good things as long as the failing is failing to be complete failing. So, apparently Facebook as a system of humans is incapable of 100% availability over long times.

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Bryan Finster - Defense Unicorns (Speaker)19:10:02

I saw a report that their badge system went down too.

David Van Couvering - Senior Principal - eBay20:10:03

Their domain name appears to have been marked for sale according to domain services? My suspicions of foul play increase...


i saw where there was a reddit user who claimed to be working on the recovery team and posted in the sysadmin subreddit about the outage. they appear to have deleted their account though.

Daniel Cahill - Engineer - Ontario Systems00:10:04

Are there articles about how a company like facebook goes about the Build vs Buy of using their own data center vs a cloud?

Steve Kurzeja, CTO - Vocus01:10:09

Thoughts are definitely for the Facebook engineers today! A real test of psychological safety when you bring down your global network

Anurag (

Seems like a BGP routing change? Hard to put into a pipeline, I suppose. But, it seems strange that one would change all routes at the same time. It would be great to understand this better. Of course, these changes can be made by anyone. Here were two I remember impacting AWS and Google:,

Steve Kurzeja, CTO - Vocus03:10:00

There is the equivalent SRE discipline of network reliability engineering taking on maturing software network automation with all the good devops practices. Maybe a good topic for the next DOES! But not really new either since carrier networks have been 'software driven' highly distributed, high reliability environment with powerful control planes based on slow changing internet standards. Some other high profile outages examples with BGP flowspec (CenturyLink and cloudflare). We've all been there having a bad day (perhaps with a less dramatic impact on market cap)! Facebook provided a general official update before: The transparency on the RFO will be interesting.

Steve Pereira - Co-Author of Flow Engineering23:10:51

Hey folks, I’ve always wanted to see picks from attendees ahead of the conference to help me choose sessions, so this year @abd3721 and I teamed up for a preview (and committed to a recap!)

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