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Nick Eggleston (free radical)00:08:57

Coming soon “DevOps, the Musical” 🎤 :star-struck:

Charlie Lambers01:08:47

‘Living in Legacy Land.’ If that isn’t a relatable ballad, I don’t know what is! Great performance @forrestbrazeal 🤌

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Tim Haagenson (American Airlines)01:08:04

PaaS - Pets as a Service

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Slackbot15:08:15

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Slackbot15:08:11

Reminder: The final day is starting now – opening remarks and then plenary talks!

Jordan Stoner15:08:41

Happy for a great conference but sad it’s coming to an end

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain15:08:02

Please no fainting in the aisle.

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George Proorocu15:08:02

Next year we need also a #Day4!

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain15:08:42

@jeff.gallimore “Feedback is a gif.”

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Nick Eggleston (free radical)15:08:44

Feeling like wanting to keep the energy and excitement going after the conference ends

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Tom Murphy (CTO, Title21)15:08:52

The program is valuable and the attendees round out an ecosystem for great growth, ideas, and sharing. Thank you #itrevolution!

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Ann Perry - IT Revolution15:08:21

☀️ Please welcome Laura Tacho, CTO, DX, and Sharon Taylor, Director of DevOps Program Management, Pfizer, here to present Pfizer’s Future of Development

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Adam Brunner - John Deere15:08:00

30x!? I can only imagine the challenge

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain15:08:54

start small… just change 1 BILLION lives per year.

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Topo Pal15:08:12

“Joyful Tech Teams” FTW

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]15:08:42

"Demonstrable progress over status slides"

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]15:08:09

"Make the wrong thing hard. We implemented reverse incentives"

Jeff Gallimore (CTIO - Excella)15:08:25

I love the “make the wrong things hard” insight as a complement to “make the right way the easy way”

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair15:08:29

"Reverse incentives" 😂

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair15:08:38

"Reduced contractor base by over 700!"

Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain16:08:24

“Document, share, and Maintain.” so often that third part is left out.

Paul Gaffney16:08:45

Live software #FTW

Luke Rettig - Target, Sr Director-Global Inventory Mangement16:08:51

🤯 on making the wrong thing hard... such a mindset shift for many as we're always intentionally trying to improve and make things easy

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Leaf (Jessica Roy), MassMutual16:08:36

I feel like Sharon opened the door to the other 50% of the ideas for improving, for exactly this reason

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]16:08:58

Live demos not slides. Soooo good.

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Topo Pal16:08:59

“In sourcing” is a critical success factor as we have heard in this conference over the years

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Jeff Gallimore (CTIO - Excella)16:08:03

“Progress demonstrated by live demos, not slides” 👏 👏 👏

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Robert Kelly (Liatrio)16:08:05

Live demos vs. PowerPoint “demos”. This is the way.

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Adam Brunner - John Deere16:08:15

Live demos -> Working software is the primary measure of progress.

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:38

"Dedicated security resources" to help build security in right the first time. 🎉

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Jeff Gallimore (CTIO - Excella)16:08:29

Wow. Yes. I NEVER hear that.

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Olivier Jacques - AWS - DevEx16:08:12

Security champions embedded in teams is a powerful setup.

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Jeff Gallimore (CTIO - Excella)16:08:28

I remember the stats and ratios from some of the talks over the last two days: 100 devs:10 ops:1 security. Getting to “dedicated security professionals” seems… challenging.

Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair21:08:32

^^^ that fantastic stat comes from @james047, circa 2014, I think!

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Colin Graham16:08:18

"Colleagues" (not customers since they are internal) Love it!

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:59

"Vendor partnerships and communication are critical to success; we reached out to them early; ongoing communications; each vendor has dedicated tech lead for us". Nice. I'm sure they are plenty motivated and benefit from a standardized approach to tooling!

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain16:08:51

Make people feel part of the change as opposed to having change pushed upon them.

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:08

"Consistently applied high standards"

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Tom Murphy (CTO, Title21)16:08:18

Hack themselves.... AWESOME!

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:28

"Oppositional metrics"

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Jeff Gallimore (CTIO - Excella)16:08:22

Creating metrics that are in tension with one another so we don’t overrotate on something. 💡

Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]16:08:00

So good to see a focus on measurement, measuring the desired outcomes.

Ryan Elmore - Equal Experts16:08:19

Actually surprised that this is the first time I've heard Red Teaming here, as it's paramount in GenAI security! 🪖

Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain16:08:26

Attrition risk decreased by 33%!!!

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Adam Brunner - John Deere16:08:37

DX -> talent retention

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Colin Graham16:08:59

It's good for business to have great DevEx. Goosebumps.

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:08

"Attrition risk decreased 33%" -- this is the first time I've really thought about it. I love this metrics, but the idea that tools are so bad that it makes daily work miserable causing people to leave is... amazing. What a responsibility to enable good DevEx!

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John Ediger - VP of Transformation16:08:09

“Must include oppositional metrics” 👏 👏

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:29

(In hindsight, that's what the Unicorn Project was about — even the most talented "10x" engineer could not get anything done herself.)

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]16:08:51

100% of Pfizer presenters at ETLS can quote hard metrics on improvement 🎉

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:21

"95% of devs satisfied by security practices" <-- unthinkable 10 years ago! (The OWASP people will faint when they see this!)

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Matthew Sibley (Liatrio)16:08:15

Love the focus on empowering your top ICs from Pfizer.

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Charlie Betz16:08:48

curious about the impact on DX when requests for new technology are increasingly scrutinized due to concern over tech debt.

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Ann Perry - IT Revolution16:08:16

🚁 Say hello to Justin Fanelli, Acting Dept of Navy CTO | Technical Director, PEO Digital here to present Enabling Enterprise Innovation at the Edge across the Dept of Navy (and beyond)

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:18

US Dept of Navy: 670K users: $1.9B annual spend. $647M cybersecurity spend.

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain16:08:45

“Trying to climb a tree to get tot he moon.”

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Tom Murphy (CTO, Title21)16:08:32

The Davidson Window - complication added

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:13

"We needed more laps, with more drivers, and cars."

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:57

Loving the use of Wiring the Winning Org language: Layer 1: the work in front of us Layer 2: the tools and technologies Layer 3: the organizational wiring (architecture, org design, who's allowed to talk to who, when, about what, etc.)

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain16:08:23

The Navy having a project named after pirates… that’s change.

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:29

ATO: "Authority to Operate": a legendary signoff needed for government services to go live.

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:44

We have more identity services than applications. 😂

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Elizabeth Ayer16:08:00

Fif. Teen. Hundred. identity management solutions 🤯

Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain16:08:26

what could possibly go wrong? ¯\o)_/¯

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Jeff Gallimore (CTIO - Excella)16:08:01

“Saving 150 days on average over hundreds of projects” on getting authority to operate. That’s five months of lead time. W00t!

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Adam Brunner - John Deere16:08:01

You get an identity provider. You get an identity provider. You get an identity provider.

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:50

Over 1MM end points. More configurations than particles in the known universe.

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Debbie Brey16:08:20

BYOD for a government agency? Unheard of!

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:29

Only people who carry around two cell phones: drug dealers and government employees.

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Rosalind16:08:31

And others in large companies

Denzil Tarakan16:08:08

And people on Software Production Support

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Robin Yeman16:08:25

20x better comms and less friction

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Matthew Sibley (Liatrio)16:08:00

Talk about high - stakes for cognitive load…

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Jordan Stoner16:08:07

Whoo ah!

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Luke Rettig - Target, Sr Director-Global Inventory Mangement16:08:50

thank you Justin and your team for not distracting the people keeping us safe! 🙏

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Jeff Gallimore (CTIO - Excella)16:08:11

“We have plenty of innovation. It was adoption that was the problem.”

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Robin Yeman16:08:30

Darn Humans and the social circuitry

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Steven Bauer - Enterprise Transformation Leader with Thrivent16:08:18

Love to see innovators dilemma still showing up as an influence

Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:01

"We were an Operations & Maintenance organization, trapped by our budget, inflation, etc."

Bjorn (Liatrio)16:08:02

Adoption ———> Enablement

Colin Graham16:08:06

Justin - thank you for your service, WOW. :flag-um:

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Luke Rettig - Target, Sr Director-Global Inventory Mangement16:08:26

"a 10% solution is better than no solution"

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Ryan Elmore - Equal Experts16:08:39

We have opinions and we have data, but opinions usually win. THAT resonates!

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Christine Hudson16:08:12

Oh, humans. 🙂

Luke Rettig - Target, Sr Director-Global Inventory Mangement16:08:41

"democratize weaponize data". about to find and replace in some team doc's and my language

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:54

Okay, that's a problem most orgs don't have. To change priorities and plan of record requires getting Congressional approvals.

Marc Eastburn16:08:57

Weaponize data! (But please don't weaponize the metrics)

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Topo Pal16:08:09

Projects as cattle

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]16:08:31

"Focus on the outcomes" 💯

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:36

"Dashboard only presentation group" (!!)

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John Ediger - VP of Transformation16:08:16

Love the outcome focus!

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Jason Cox - Disney16:08:44

Taking an infra/server approach to projects… Look at projects as cattle not pets.

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Michael Nygard16:08:07

Just acquiring, distributing, and normalizing all the data for those dashboards is a mammoth task

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Josh Phillips - Building Better Software Faster16:08:07

Truly inspirational innovation adoption approach from the US Navy. Taking notes for the private sector 📓

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain16:08:13

“AI is moving faster than fashion.” Yes… it is.

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Adam Brunner - John Deere16:08:20

Commitment gated enablement. I love the minimum height to ride the ride concepts here.

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Robin Yeman16:08:21

Generative AI is moving faster than fashion in the Navy

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Denzil Tarakan16:08:22

AI is moving faster than fashion 😆

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:27

"Everyone has to do hackathons" (!!)

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain16:08:16

“In three years and 2000 pages you will know how to build something you can buy off the shelf.”

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]16:08:33

"Adaptive Roadmaps"

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:41

"The closest thing you'll ever get to everlasting life is a government program" -- Ronald Reagon

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Anthony Earl16:08:59

Don’t go chasing Waterfalls

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Robin Yeman16:08:07

The nearest thing to eternal life are government programs

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]16:08:15

"Turned off 9 figures worth of functionality in the last 18 months, without any loss of capability"

Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]16:08:15

"Turned off 9 figures worth of functionality in the last 18 months, without any loss of capability"

Jeff Gallimore (CTIO - Excella)16:08:42

…without any loss in capability.

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Michael Nygard16:08:24

I didn’t expect to see Adm Rickover riding a steer on top of a submarine today, but 🤷

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:42

Operation Cattle Drive: turn off unwanted, unsecurable, unauditable, duplicate applications. "Nine figures of spend affected. ". (Hundreds of millions of $$$?)

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain16:08:20

With the addition of the Space Force, have there been any proposals to transform the Pentagon to the Hexagon?

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Ryan Elmore - Equal Experts16:08:05

Thanks MidJourney :man-shrugging: #iTried

Kristin Y16:08:30

No, but I heard they’re going for a dodecahedron

Andrew Barefield, Liatrio16:08:40

Pentagons are back, actually. Hexagons are 2012.

Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain16:08:30

@ryan.elmore… but that’s an octagon. Pretty sure MMA would consider that trademark infringement.

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Ryan Elmore - Equal Experts18:08:06

@azimman - seems like MidJourney doesn’t quite get side count. That said, I didn’t really put much effort into the prompt. None of the options look hex. 👀

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain22:08:09

But AI is the future. Where we’re going, we don’t count sides.

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]16:08:19

"AI pilots with divestments"

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Robin Yeman16:08:50

Navy Heros

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Ann Perry - IT Revolution16:08:51

🔆 And now, say hello to CAPT Andrew Biehn, Director of Development and Integration, and Jim Juster, CTO, from the PEO IWS, here to present More Than Just DevOps—The Rest of the Story for Rapid Capability Delivery in DoD

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Adam Brunner - John Deere16:08:22

Hearing @genek intros this week make me long for another episode of the Idealcast 🙏

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain16:08:06

The last season was SOOOOO good.

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:33

"We need to deliver faster 5-10x faster. Not ten years."

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain16:08:58

two years $100M to upgrade the weapons system… sounds about right for a digital transformation. :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:25

"For 50 years, we've been running code bare metal on custom computers".

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Nick Eggleston (free radical)16:08:49

Every vendor likely wants to guarantee lock-in…?

Jordan Stoner16:08:14

Aegis #morethanmeetstheeye

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:15

Modularity at work: now you don't need a ship to shoot down an incoming issue;

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations16:08:18

The challenge of highly coupled weapons-ships sounds a bit like saying you need to modernize your data center but only using roof access. And the machines are welded into the racks.

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Josh Phillips - Building Better Software Faster16:08:21

Shipping in containers on a whole different level!

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Louis-Alex B. , Platform Engineering Lead16:08:10

Imagine the size of their Kubernetes clusters

Ryan Elmore - Equal Experts16:08:35

More than meets the eye? 👁️

Josh Phillips - Building Better Software Faster16:08:48

Jokes aside I wonder if they have an edge cluster on those containers (my guess is openshift is chilling in there)

Louis-Alex B. , Platform Engineering Lead16:08:27

@joshua.andrew.phillip Oh yes, definitely

Topo Pal16:08:26

I am simply at awe!!!!!!

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:33

Over the Air updates to ships at sea. First time in 50 years!

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]16:08:35

"Shipping" no pun intended

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Patrick Harbolick16:08:50

A different kind of product launch...

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Kristin Y16:08:14

Yessssss, architectural diagrams!!!! 🥳 🥳 🥳 (engineer here :woman-raising-hand::skin-tone-2: )

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:29

(I actually met someone whose job was to rappel down from a helicopter down to a submarine with a backpack full of hard drives to do software upgrades. A super dangerous activity. Apparently, people get hit by lightning, because of static discharge from helicopter blades.)

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Sam Yeats16:08:34

Showcase anyone?

Robin Yeman16:08:12

Digital Twins to support Aegis

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain16:08:04

Someone should write a book about that. 😆

Marc Eastburn16:08:42

I'm the captain now meme incoming...

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:55

I think this is meant to address the real problems with drone attacks in the Red Sea, which has been so much in the news.

Scott Prugh (ETLS PC / CTO Uturn Data)16:08:13

This is an awesome example of how architecture is such a key enabling capability.

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Michael Nygard16:08:46

I was also thinking about the option value of modularity. Standard interfaces ftw

Elizabeth Ayer16:08:14

"throwing out everything that’s not law and revisiting everything else.” 👏 👏 👏

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:37

We are in longest live fire continuous engagement in Red Sea since World War II, where sailors lives are at risk.

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Dan Gradl16:08:03

Can't keep shooting expensive stuff at cheap stuff for too long. There's a bigger metaphor here.

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Topo Pal16:08:37

This is a true battle tested ci/cd pipeline!

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]16:08:56

"Continuous Experimentation. New muscle memory"

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Leaf (Jessica Roy), MassMutual16:08:55

The physical world had all these shipping concepts first. The virtual world adopted it… now we’re applying the virtual metaphors and learnings back to the physical world.

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Josh Phillips - Building Better Software Faster16:08:06

Anyone who has ever worked in the gov / DoD space after these past two talks right now -> 🤯

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Josh Phillips - Building Better Software Faster16:08:13

It might be time to re up my clearance ;)

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:46

"If you ever wondered what 25K people at Pentagon do all day, in 2nd largest office building int he world."

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]16:08:53

"We're seeing a consensus in Washington DC that there is a need to change how we do what we do"

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:50

"Counter UAS" -> "Counter Unmanned Aircraft System" -> "Counter Drone"

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Marc Eastburn16:08:01

Literally an act of Congress to get things done.

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Luke Rettig - Target, Sr Director-Global Inventory Mangement16:08:08

i will forever stop sarcastically saying "its going to take an act of congress" for x to work...

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]16:08:11

"7 to 11 years to ship to a ship, to 2 years"

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Topo Pal16:08:33

Did someone say “DevOps is dead”?

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Scott Prugh (ETLS PC / CTO Uturn Data)16:08:18

We need a "DevOps is NOT dead" emoji!

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Olivier Jacques - AWS - DevEx16:08:20

Interesting to see that “DevEx/Platform >> DevOps” in Slack titles

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]16:08:30

"Understand incentives and perspectives". This

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Josh Phillips - Building Better Software Faster16:08:34

I spoke with Andy and Jim Tuesday and he referred to congress as a 635 member Board of Trustees

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Ann Perry - IT Revolution16:08:33

🏦 Please welcome Ian Eslick, SVP Infrastructure and Technology Strategy, SoFi, here to present Leadership Development: Lessons Learned

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Jeff Gallimore (CTIO - Excella)16:08:46

Systems thinking as a superpower 🙌

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Colin Graham16:08:59

Systems thinking to balance the technical, business and human factors. ❤️

Brian Scott16:08:32

Points of leverage drives change

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:42

I'm a former Minnesotan, too!!! (First 13 years of my life there!)

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]16:08:48

"Hack the culture". Culture hacks and ninja moves.

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Adam Brunner - John Deere16:08:02

"respect what came before"

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain16:08:35

Understanding motivation is itself a superpower.

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair16:08:47

I remember this story from US Bank!!!! This is the most epic story: 7 days to do biggest data load ever.

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair17:08:39

Solution was 2 pages of code. But massive coordination effort! (Layer 3). "You can do anything you need. Call whoever you want."

Michael Nygard17:08:37

The “advantage” of a crisis is that — for a short time only — there is one priority.

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Christine Hudson17:08:05

Yep. Prioritization is hard.

Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]17:08:44

Story telling as a ninja move. FOMO.

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair17:08:52

"We were doing two standups per day: engineers with managing committee of entire bank"

Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain17:08:07

“During a crisis, people are [much more] open to new ideas.” Natural conclusion; create MORE crisis!!!

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Jeff Gallimore (CTIO - Excella)17:08:50

Umm. Adam, we should talk.

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Josh Phillips - Building Better Software Faster17:08:04

I can help you deploy 10 crises a day

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Topo Pal17:08:20

What type of ML is that??

Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair17:08:20

"Someone on my team has to work with 30 different teams."

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]17:08:55

"Created an ad-hoc Community of Practice"

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Paul Gaffney17:08:02

Wouldn’t it be fantastic to figure out how to create “crisis mode” without the trauma of an actual crisis?

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]17:08:42

A familiar conversation after COVID. "We were at our best at the beginning of the pandemic"

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Robin Yeman17:08:33

chaos engineering for process

Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]17:08:53

One clear goal, high alignment.

Paul Gaffney17:08:00

I believe leaders have access to a lot of tools- that they don’t currently use- to get an org into the “get way better at this” mode without waiting for an actual crisis.

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]17:08:33

The CEO not having their 'top 237" priorities.

Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]17:08:14

If everything is a priority, nothing is a priority

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Ian Eslick18:08:25

@jonathansmart1 That is exactly right. I tried to have that discussion at my last place - we are great at one priority but suck at identifying the #2. The convo was way too abstract for the audience.

Ian Eslick18:08:39

Hackathons, some POC processes, and some of what Justin talked about this am are alternatives to crises. At a large org level you can have a primary quarter or sprint goal that is the most deliver priority - with something like a healthy OKR framework that is feasible…

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]20:08:21

Agreed. Thanks for your shared learning on the stage today.

Howard Patty17:08:22

“during a crisis, people are more open to new ideas and change” I wouldn’t say this means we need more crises, in a crises, suddenly everyone is instantly aligned to a precise goal and increased level of autonomy to achieve it. What we need more of is clarity in mission, roles, and goals. (which can enable more autonomy when well defined)

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair17:08:22

"How long to deliver hello, world program" "37 tickets"

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Scott Prugh (ETLS PC / CTO Uturn Data)17:08:43

@paul.gaffney Here is your ZERO tickets!

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Steven Bauer - Enterprise Transformation Leader with Thrivent17:08:59

You can create heat experiences through facilitation that mimic the urgency of a crisis without all of the stress and high stakes of a legit crisis. Helps demonstrate the art of the possible when barriers to progress are removed.

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations17:08:49

Like Strategic Selling internally. Also like SPIN Selling.

Topo Pal17:08:02

One line of code needs 37 tickets to get to prod. Oh… I forgot to count the YAML file

Colin Graham17:08:04

"Sometimes there's is no decision maker." 💯

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations17:08:24

“The first thing to build is trust.”

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Adam Brunner - John Deere17:08:28

Influence without authority

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair17:08:46

"The responsibility of owning a nine-figure program"

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Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]17:08:22

"Use the culture in your org. Cultural norms, incentives (implicit) differ."

John Ediger - VP of Transformation17:08:26

“95% of problems are actually communication issues”

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair17:08:28

The receiver judges the success of communication; but the sender is responsible for communicating effectively to the receiver

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Vanessa Jones17:08:39

Equally informed minds rarely disagree

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair17:08:43

Ah. Shannon Information Theory!

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Paul Gaffney17:08:44

In almost all cases, it does come down to communication! Looking forward to sharing more about that with you all later today!

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Jordan Stoner17:08:05

“I value your opinion, when you’re wrong” -Ted lasso

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations17:08:25

“Do we agree? Where do we disagree?” < TDD for People : https://itrevolution.com/articles/test-driven-development-for-people/

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair17:08:30

9600 baud?

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain17:08:16

Good ear @genek 👂:skin-tone-2:

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James T Snell17:08:45

Sounded like a very laggy 9601.314 baud to me, but, it's been a while ;)

James T Snell17:08:58

I definitely wasn't 56K, so.. Boo.

Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair21:08:26

@eslick told me a couple hours ago — it was a 28.8K model!

Ian Eslick02:08:21

I’m was like 90%+ sure given that I was in the modem chip business during the 28-56k transition era. Since I had to check my 28.8 assertion after Gene outed me - here’s a walk down listening lane which I think backs up my assertion! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ckc6XSSh52w

Adam Brunner - John Deere17:08:47

The best example of haptic feedback.

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Tom Murphy (CTO, Title21)17:08:02

300 baud was my first connection link. VERY PAINFUL!!!!

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Marc Eastburn17:08:54

CompuServ ?

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Christine Hudson17:08:11

“How does the channel distort my message?”

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations17:08:52

“All communication is simultaneous translation.”

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain17:08:31

Can you distort your message just by yelling louder? 😱

John Ediger - VP of Transformation17:08:43

“Extend your systems thinking superpower to all parts of the company”

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Doguhan17:08:50

This is the last one I used.

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Ann Perry - IT Revolution17:08:01

A warm hello to Admiral John Richardson, USN (Retired), here to talk about Deep Currents for Leaders

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations17:08:30

Love the family support! 😆

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Robin Yeman17:08:47

Admiral Richardson Rocks!!!!

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Margueritte Kim (CEO, IT Revolution)17:08:42

Note to self, plant an oceanographer in the audience next year.

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain17:08:58

I did study oceanography for my physics degree… but only a couple courses.

Ben Grinnell - North Highland and DOES PC17:08:19

Not an oceanographer but I did start my PhD research writing controllers for Nuclear Submarines to cancel out the wave motion as they spent time on the surface

Topo Pal17:08:08

I learnt about deep currents watching Nemo.

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Jordan Stoner17:08:02

Another Pixar movie idea!

Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair17:08:21

I forgot to mention: ADM Richardson is on board of the famous Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution. He hangs out with oceanographers all the time. https://www.whoi.edu/press-room/news-release/admiral-john-richardson-joins-whoi-board/

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Disha Dudhal17:08:32

Fun Fact - This entire ocean current belt is called the Global Conveyor Belt and if you have seen the movie The Day After Tomorrow - the stopping of this ocean current causes freezing accross he globe.

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations17:08:52

He’s got the best holiday snaps…

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Nick Eggleston (free radical)17:08:14

@mvk842 keeping things focused

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Cliff Badri17:08:26

Still waters run deep

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Leaf (Jessica Roy), MassMutual17:08:51

“Super geniuses” coding in isolation are beyond overrated

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James T Snell17:08:02

Developers coding in isolation == Maximum Risk

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain17:08:44

Maybe next year we can have the conference in Hawaii so we can all get Admiral Richardson to do a demo.

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Howard Patty17:08:48

Way to bring it home to the NLDF! Character, Connections, Competence

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Adam Zimman, GP at RockTreeMountain17:08:04

Loving this framing.

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations17:08:55

Am I a bad person for wanting that muscle shark as a sticker on my laptop?

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Dan Gradl17:08:49

If wanting that sticker is wrong I don't want to be right

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Ben Spain (Thrivent)17:08:22

We need an "emerging submarine" sticker that represents the patience and poise to challenge things wisely.

Jordan Stoner17:08:55

#empathy

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Christine Hudson17:08:44

“Capturing the history almost always reveals that people have a stake in the game”

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Adam Brunner - John Deere17:08:09

🤞 for yellow submarine for the exit music

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Alex (IT Revolution, Conference Staff)17:08:56

How quickly can we deploy a change to a moving conference!

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Ann Perry - IT Revolution17:08:33

PSA on the workshop with Admiral Richardson Exploring the Deep Current with Admiral John Richardson • Today: 2:45pm - 3:45pm • Capri 2

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Don’t Miss Boomi’s Demo at 12:10pm today at the Solutions Hub in the Expo Hall. https://etlslasvegas2024.sched.com/event/1hAaK/solutions-hub-boomi-your-path-to-practical-ai-how-to-orchestrate-ai-with-boomi Learn how Boomi helps organizations take the path to practical AI. This demonstration will include how to orchestrate AI processes using methods like RAG (retrieval augmented generation) as well as practical examples like our Boomi augmented chat engine. http://etlslasvegas2024.sched.com https://etlslasvegas2024.sched.com/event/1hAaK/solutions-hub-boomi-your-path-to-practical-ai-how-to-orchestrate-ai-with-boomi View more about this event at Enterprise Technology Leadership Summit Las Vegas 2024

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Don’t Miss Tricentis’ Demo at 12:40pm today at the Solutions Hub in the Expo Hall. https://etlslasvegas2024.sched.com/event/1iB2X/solutions-hub-tricentis-ai-assistants-for-test-automation-at-scale Learn how Tricentis is leveraging generative AI to provide next-level testing and get an in-depth look at Tricentis Testim. We’ll show you how Testimenables less-technical experts to succeed with even the most complex test automation scenarios. Key takeaways: - AI can be used to accelerate custom application testing - Testim makes it faster to create tests that require less maintenance - Using generative AI, Testim Copilot allows creation of tests that would otherwise need to be coded by hand and accelerates testing - AI-driven quality is essential for development teams to ensure high-quality applications, and Testim delivers the speed development teams need (edited) http://etlslasvegas2024.sched.com https://etlslasvegas2024.sched.com/event/1iB2X/solutions-hub-tricentis-ai-assistants-for-test-automation-at-scale View more about this event at Enterprise Technology Leadership Summit Las Vegas 2024

Debbie Brey18:08:04

Love the concept of the MDT being embedded with the delivery team!

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Marcelo Ancelmo18:08:32

Glad you liked @dlbrey77 This mindset is extremely important, as it sets everything else going forward on the Product Team

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Elizabeth Ayer18:08:35

Team APIs - the most successful asset in creating brave communication between teams. 😍

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Patrick Harbolick18:08:59

Feels so aspirational!

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James T Snell18:08:30

I guess the API to my team would be Jira. Other teams need something from us, we usually capture something about it in a Jira Issue. Humans and bots can make new Jira Issues too. Fun.

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Elizabeth Ayer18:08:08

Not sure it has to be aspirational to have it- maybe aspirational getting other teams to actually use it, though?

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Patrick Harbolick18:08:49

This read might help elaborate on the concept @contact372: https://github.com/TeamTopologies/Team-API-template

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Patrick Harbolick18:08:15

Yeah, getting people to write it down, keep it updated, and use it as a first point of contact with an external team. I gave a brief internal talk that for our organization the scrum master is responsible for all the cognitive load for interacting with other teams and wouldn't it be great to write it all down and share publicly?

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Marcelo Ancelmo18:08:10

Exactly that, the tricky part is making sure people are using it. We document our Teams APIs using the template linked by @patrick.harbolick

James T Snell18:08:37

A Team API looks like a nice compliment to a Team SLO

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Marcelo Ancelmo18:08:53

They go pretty well together @contact372 😉

Debbie Brey18:08:22

Don’t make your MDT a bottleneck!

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Marcelo Ancelmo18:08:57

This is a very important point to pay attention to. If the Mdt becomes a bottleneck, it can compromise the whole value stream

Dan Gradl18:08:53

Team api in word doc in SharePoint is also known as a private API

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Marcelo Ancelmo18:08:26

It is always fun to hear all the reasons people can come by to justify such decision 😂

James T Snell18:08:10

This talk should be added to onboarding playlists for various leadership roles in our org. Awesome talk, thank you Marcelo.

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Marcelo Ancelmo18:08:13

Thank you for the feedback @contact372

Anthony Farias18:08:07

“Velocity is both speed and direction, they were moving with speed but had no direction” this one hits home!

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Steven Bauer - Enterprise Transformation Leader with Thrivent18:08:44

Love this - focus on solving a customer problem. Seems obvious but often is forgotten.

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Jamie Doenges18:08:45

Sliding roadmaps over annual planning 👏

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Joel Boyles - PEOPLEIT.COM18:08:44

"Naming a project is one of the most powerful tools you have as a leader" - we have found this to be so true. It's the first time that teams begin to discuss and get aligned on outcomes.

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Marc Eastburn18:08:10

Also interesting that naming gets more difficult as the project scope increases.

Joel Boyles - PEOPLEIT.COM18:08:14

@marc_eastburn Agree! Sometimes if you can't give a project a simple name, it may be time to break the work down into smaller chunks.

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Ian Eslick18:08:00

Chance of success of a program degrades exponentially with number of people required to execute. Math doesn’t lie!

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Olivier Jacques - AWS - DevEx18:08:39

Great lessons and visuals shared by @kate.matsudaira on team dynamics.

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Kate Matsudaira22:08:09

Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed the talk.

Dan Gradl18:08:20

Reverse Conway maneuver

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Christine Hudson18:08:36

There were so many great concepts and graphs in @kate.matsudaira’s talk. It was hard to stop watching long enough to post one. 😀

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Kate Matsudaira22:08:55

Thanks for much :)

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Beth Breiten19:08:11

Don’t Miss Boomi’s Demo at 12:10pm today at the Solutions Hub in the Expo Hall. https://etlslasvegas2024.sched.com/event/1hAaK/solutions-hub-boomi-your-path-to-practical-ai-how-to-orchestrate-ai-with-boomi Learn how Boomi helps organizations take the path to practical AI. This demonstration will include how to orchestrate AI processes using methods like RAG (retrieval augmented generation) as well as practical examples like our Boomi augmented chat engine. http://etlslasvegas2024.sched.com https://etlslasvegas2024.sched.com/event/1hAaK/solutions-hub-boomi-your-path-to-practical-ai-how-to-orchestrate-ai-with-boomi View more about this event at Enterprise Technology Leadership Summit Las Vegas 2024

Joseph Enochs19:08:27

Check out booth #109 for the hackathon winners! With 11 teams and nearly 100 participants, the level of innovation and collaboration exceeded all expectations. The creative solutions and fresh perspectives on Generative AI in Enterprise were truly inspiring!

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Beth Breiten19:08:14

Don’t Miss Tricentis’ Demo at 12:40pm today at the Solutions Hub in the Expo Hall. https://etlslasvegas2024.sched.com/event/1iB2X/solutions-hub-tricentis-ai-assistants-for-test-automation-at-scale Learn how Tricentis is leveraging generative AI to provide next-level testing and get an in-depth look at Tricentis Testim. We’ll show you how Testimenables less-technical experts to succeed with even the most complex test automation scenarios. Key takeaways: - AI can be used to accelerate custom application testing - Testim makes it faster to create tests that require less maintenance - Using generative AI, Testim Copilot allows creation of tests that would otherwise need to be coded by hand and accelerates testing - AI-driven quality is essential for development teams to ensure high-quality applications, and Testim delivers the speed development teams need (edited) http://etlslasvegas2024.sched.com https://etlslasvegas2024.sched.com/event/1iB2X/solutions-hub-tricentis-ai-assistants-for-test-automation-at-scale View more about this event at Enterprise Technology Leadership Summit Las Vegas 2024

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Anthony Farias20:08:52

Bottlenecks at Pepsi… no pun intended!

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Steve Smith (VP, Equal Experts)20:08:29

I've waited for 2 days for this! Go @jason.fertel @benjie

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Cliff Badri20:08:26

So many times environments are busy for "important" demos.

Jason Yip20:08:31

Thinking the Amazon-style press release is also useful for improvement efforts.

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Christine Hudson21:08:38

Definitely. Press release, destination postcard, something pithy yet with emotion

Jonayed (Diagram Ventures)20:08:43

“Burning dollars and burning the environment” 🌎

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Adam Brunner - John Deere20:08:34

Yaml ain't so bad. We have a yaml to document where all our yamls are. /s

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Jason Yip21:08:14

Hourglass model also useful when thinking about how platform teams should work: diverse applications, common protocol, diverse capabilities.

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Alex (IT Revolution, Conference Staff)23:08:14

We've worked so hard building the StageSYNC tool over these past several years! If you'd like to use it at your event, get in touch with us at <mailto:yes@stagesync.info|yes@stagesync.info>.

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Nick Eggleston (free radical)01:08:44

It's so cool that you all took the initiative to develop that. Great enhancement.

Ann Perry - IT Revolution23:08:57

⛓️ Please welcome the team from Vanguard, Denton Burnell, Head, Portfolio Construction Technology, and Colleen Evans, Senior Manager, Product Management. They'll be presenting Adaptability by Design: Decoupling Dependencies to Drive Client Value at Vanguard

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:55

GO BATCH JOBS!!! 🎉 🎉🎉

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Clare Hawthorne23:08:40

Love that the batch jobs tool has a product manager! ❤️

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:35

"Hundreds of thousands of clients, millions of accounts, billions of dollars under management, get advice — e.g., rebalance portfolio, harvest losses, etc." (What could go wrong?)

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:07

"Our Super Bowl event is our morning batch jobs. But Super Bowl happens once a year. Our Super Bowl happens every morning!"

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations23:08:27

“100% accurate, 100% of the time.” No pressure.

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:28

Whenever any of the teams that generate their inputs have a bad day, we have a bad day. <--- they are coupled together.

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations23:08:52

Reusing components across offerings with a minimum balance of $3,000 to $5M. Rather different audiences…

Olivier Jacques - AWS - DevEx23:08:02

Not even a typo in the architecture!

Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations23:08:00

Not a typo, it is international flavor.

Christina Yakomin23:08:52

I’ll never forget coming to the realization with @genek & @rdaitzman after this talk at Vanguard - “hold on, did he just say you can PAUSE the batch job?”

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:53

When @christina_yakomin @rdaitzman and I saw this presentation a couple of months ago, I think we all said, "Did they say they can PAUSE their batch jobs?!?" 😆

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Christina Yakomin23:08:06

LOL same wavelength

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Robbie Daitzman - Vanguard23:08:34

I see that we all share a core memory! Or maybe share a brain? Not sure….

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Clare Hawthorne23:08:50

My mind was just blown

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:32

I'm glad (and even relieved) to know that I'm not the only person blown away by the novelty of this — @mtnygard I've been meaning to tell you about this for months!!!

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Christina Yakomin23:08:43

The existence of “Hulk clients” affects much of the performance testing we do across Vanguard. The hybrid async approach Denton and Colleen describe here for handling hulk clients is so creative!

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Charlie Betz23:08:20

confused... isn't this the purpose of checkpoint logic? restartability?

Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:56

Minimum Market Order functionality done via a JSON file, IIRC. Another form of decoupling.

Ann Perry - IT Revolution23:08:13

🔆 Next up is Jason Yip, Senior Manager Product Engineering, Grainger, here to present Safe, Responsive, Trustworthy, Coherent: A Target Operating Model for Grainger Product Engineering

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:22

Leader in MRO market is only 7% market share — Maintenance and Repair Operations.

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:06

Haha. "Transformations with money and clout becomes magnets for other people's problems". 😆

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations23:08:10

“Transformations are magnets for problems people want solved”

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:55

Hey, isn't this the second time Weinberg's book was mentioned?

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Dan Gradl23:08:07

We called the magnet projects MacGuffins. Everything will be solved when we get that thing.

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations23:08:54

Love the point that different audiences had different meaning for the same words.

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations23:08:01

From the Ground Rules for Effective Teams: “Agree what important words mean”

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Topo Pal23:08:09

Deployment != Release

Jon Smart [Sooner Safer Happier]23:08:00

“Use simple jargon free language” I can think of a few words 😀

Olivier Jacques - AWS - DevEx23:08:24

“Change failure rate of technical deployments” vs “Change failure rate of what customers consider a change”

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:27

"Basic failures: when things happen, people will question your competence (cert expiring)

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Martin Deslongchamps - Triton Digital23:08:11

Defining a common language is so important!

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations23:08:33

Showing the Kano model to explain delight for preventing complicated outages? Brilliant. Really shows having a product mindset.

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:44

Order system goes down —> overtime putting in late orders

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Charlie Betz23:08:22

Hmm.. technical debt as a form of failure demand?

Jeff Gallimore (CTIO - Excella)23:08:35

Safe = reducing failure demand

Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations23:08:03

“Safe probably means automation” because of reduced MTTR < great insight

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations23:08:26

“Working software gives you options”

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:32

"When deploys/releases don't make contact with the customers, it doesn't count" — no feedback was generated.

Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:34

I love the use of optionality in these presentations — the right, but not the obligation, to do something. (Which is very tightly related to modularity and independence of action)

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:11

In fact, that insight earned Drs. Merton/Scholls/Black the Nobel Prize in Economics. ^^^^

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:06

Independence of action! 🎉

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Bryon Kroger (CEO, Rise8)23:08:08

Amazing use of emotional bank account concept… reliable delivery deposits trust in the user’s emotional bank account! 🔥

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Jordan Stoner23:08:54

Telephone game

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Olivier Jacques - AWS - DevEx23:08:56

I’m missing a reading list of all the books / references shared during the conference.

Paul Gaffney23:08:01

Pointy haired Dilbert boss does not live in that aligned autonomy quadrant!

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:29

"The way to create coherence: get groups of people to talk, regularly. That's it."

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations23:08:28

Jason’s point that investment on uptime should be a function of the cost of downtime reminds of a point Patrick McKenzie regularly makes: “The optimal amount of fraud is non-zero”.

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Robin Yeman23:08:02

But But where are the super cool Buzzwords??

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Ann Perry - IT Revolution23:08:50

🐸 Please welcome Joe Beutler, Solutions Engineer, OpenAI, here to present Beyond the Hype: Lessons Learned on the Path to Enterprise AI Adoption at OpenAI

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations23:08:41

R&D = Research & Deployment

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Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations23:08:34

“…if the demo gods allow” 🙏

Martin Deslongchamps - Triton Digital23:08:10

ETLS = Extract Transform Load at plurals… 😉 @jason.cox @topo.pal

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Gene Kim, ITREV, Program Chair23:08:32

@jchyip's "transformation magnet" applies to AI, too. Attracts everyone. 😂

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Jason Yip18:08:15

Transformation Magnet suspiciously sounds like a catch phrase.

Jeffrey Fredrick, Author-Agile Conversations23:08:04

Thankless tasks quadrant… why do I suspect those will be left to the people?

Robin Yeman23:08:10

LLMs to cure cancer!! AMAZING

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