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Huub van der Wouden11:06:00

Hi everyone! I have a metrics question... i am setting up some basic measuring. What, in your experience, are good data sources for deployment frequency? Do you use dev environment tools like jira or jenkins, or ops env data?

Huub van der Wouden11:06:00

Hi everyone! I have a metrics question... i am setting up some basic measuring. What, in your experience, are good data sources for deployment frequency? Do you use dev environment tools like jira or jenkins, or ops env data?

Simon sabin11:06:02

Hey folks, doing a bit of forward planning given the constraints of Slack calls, how many folks are intending on joining the call later. If its more than 15 I'll set something else up. If you can like this if you are intending on joining

Simon sabin12:06:10

As a starter, who is doing Data DevOps?

Nick Jenkins (Director, Mech Rock DevOps, Perth, Oz)12:06:32

we do automated pipelines for data, configured as code.

Simon sabin12:06:27

Would you say your maturity is on par with the app code?

Nick Jenkins (Director, Mech Rock DevOps, Perth, Oz)12:06:43

no, not yet. but our app pipelines are pretty far ahead - they build themselves for example

Nick Jenkins (Director, Mech Rock DevOps, Perth, Oz)12:06:00

also working with data scientists is a challenge as their dev knowledge is normally ... ahh.... shallow.

Simon sabin12:06:45

We see that you can't give them a piecemeal solution, you need to give them a complete approach, they can't bring much to the table.

Simon sabin12:06:23

which sort of means you've got to be a practitioner of data science as well

Simon sabin13:06:11

<!here> will be starting the call in a few minutes. If we hit the limit we'll jump into zoom

Simon sabin13:06:49

ok slack doesn't ll any call with groups > 15. So this is the link to a zoom call https://zoom.us/j/95481274914

Simon sabin13:06:10

<!here> To attend the call jump on the zoom here https://zoom.us/j/95481274914 Look forward to seeing/hearing from you.

Simon sabin13:06:33

Great discussion on what data DevOps is about

Ralf Sigmund13:06:59

@simon thanks for the discussion on data DevOps.

Chris Bergh13:06:18

sorry i missed it

mohitraina13:06:59

we are looking for zero downtime deployment for RDBS , any recommendation or suggestion ?

Simon Rohrer, [Sooner Safer Happier contributor] Saxo Bank, Head of EA and DevEx13:06:23

And zero downtime for DBs is as much about culture & refactoring practices as it is about tooling

mohitraina13:06:53

SQL or Oracle both

mohitraina13:06:11

ok thanks for sharing..

Simon Rohrer, [Sooner Safer Happier contributor] Saxo Bank, Head of EA and DevEx13:06:58

For SQL Server have a look at Microsoft’s tooling around Entity Framework migrations and DACPACs - there are some good patterns there

Simon Rohrer, [Sooner Safer Happier contributor] Saxo Bank, Head of EA and DevEx13:06:58

For SQL Server have a look at Microsoft’s tooling around Entity Framework migrations and DACPACs - there are some good patterns there

Simon sabin13:06:26

@cbergh Discussion is still going on

mohitraina13:06:13

let me also join

Simon sabin13:06:26

Zero downtime is totally down to understanding the platform

Jamie Ballisat (Redgate)13:06:14

@mohit.raina , i can discuss Flyway and Redgate's SQL and Oracle specific tools with you next week during our meeting 🙂